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[生产运营] 理论家们,先说说看无菌D级是干什么的?

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 楼主| 发表于 2013-5-11 12:11:13 | 显示全部楼层
石头968 发表于 2013-5-11 11:35
没看到原帖,我很遗憾,只有看到原帖才知道楼主的原意。
其实有争论才有提高嘛。

“灭菌只是灭菌,而不会灭粒子”各村有各村的高招——操作篇问题讨论之五:续篇
https://www.ouryao.com/forum.php? ... 8&fromuid=86557

我是看到你们在这个帖谈论一个影响力很低的东西--D级的尘粒影响,感觉你们都没进过无菌车间,连车间实际都不懂,讨论这些只能是误导大家
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药士
发表于 2013-5-11 12:20:29 | 显示全部楼层
为啥要删减呢,要保留原汁原味的措辞才好。
奥斑马都说:我的演讲,如果没有几个闹场的,我反而感觉不正常。

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药士
发表于 2013-5-11 12:44:06 | 显示全部楼层
Grade C and D: Clean areas for carrying out less critical stages in the manufacture of sterile products.

Grade C and D: Clean areas for carrying out less critical stages in the manufacture of sterile products.

The monitoring of Grade C and D areas in operation should be performed in accordance with the principles of quality risk management. The requirements and alert/action limits will depend on the nature of the operations carried out, but the recommended “clean up period” should be attained.

Dreparation of solutions and components for subsequent filling

Terminally sterilised products 28. Preparation of components and most products should be done in at least a grade D environment in order to give low risk of microbial and particulate contamination, suitable for filtration and sterilisation. Where the product is at a high or unusual risk of microbial contamination, (for example, because the product actively supports microbial growth or must be held for a long period before sterilisation or is necessarily processed not mainly in closed vessels), then preparation should be carried out in a grade C environment.  29. Filling of products for terminal sterilisation should be carried out in at least a grade C environment.  30. Where the product is at unusual risk of contamination from the environment, for example because the filling operation is slow or the containers are wide-necked or are necessarily exposed for more than a few seconds before sealing, the filling should be done in a grade A zone with at least a grade C background. Preparation and filling of ointments, creams, Terminally sterilised products 28. Preparation of components and most products should be done in at least a grade D environment in order to give low risk of microbial and particulate contamination, suitable for filtration and sterilisation. Where the product is at a high or unusual risk of microbial contamination, (for example, because the product actively supports microbial growth or must be held for a long period before sterilisation or is necessarily processed not mainly in closed vessels), then preparation should be carried out in a grade C environment.  29. Filling of products for terminal sterilisation should be carried out in at least a grade C environment.  30. Where the product is at unusual risk of contamination from the environment, for example because the filling operation is slow or the containers are wide-necked or are necessarily exposed for more than a few seconds before sealing, the filling should be done in a grade A zone with at least a grade C background. Preparation and filling of ointments, creams,


D:Handling of components after washing.

Aseptic preparation 31. Components after washing should be handled in at least a grade D environment. Handling of sterile starting materials and components, unless subjected to sterilisation or filtration through a micro-organism-retaining filter later in the process, should be done in a grade A environment with grade B background.  32. Preparation of solutions which are to be sterile filtered during the process should be done in a grade C environment; if not filtered, the preparation of materials and products should be done in a grade A environment with a grade B background.  33. Handling and filling of aseptically prepared products should be done in a grade A environment with a grade B background.  34. Prior to the completion of stoppering, transfer of partially closed containers, as used in freeze drying should be done either in a grade A environment with grade B background or in sealed transfer trays in a grade B environment.  35. Preparation and filling of sterile ointments, creams, suspensions and emulsions should be done in a grade A environment, with a grade B background, when the product is exposed and is not subsequently filtered.

这说明了什么,说明了欧盟给出的是原则。我们给出的是具体项目。存在疑问很正常,我们说的绝对哦了
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药徒
发表于 2013-5-11 12:59:51 | 显示全部楼层
我有点迷糊了,请楼主大神指点。
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-5-11 13:01:40 | 显示全部楼层
十万个为什么 发表于 2013-5-11 12:59
我有点迷糊了,请楼主大神指点。

请问小家伙为什么迷糊?
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药徒
发表于 2013-5-11 13:03:02 | 显示全部楼层
苏州园林 发表于 2013-5-11 13:01
请问小家伙为什么迷糊?

无菌D级是干嘛的?
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-5-11 13:03:46 | 显示全部楼层
十万个为什么 发表于 2013-5-11 13:03
无菌D级是干嘛的?

嗯,我指的是无菌制剂的D级,你爱干吗都可以
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药徒
发表于 2013-5-11 13:06:17 | 显示全部楼层
干嘛简写呢,太不严谨了。
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药士
发表于 2013-5-11 13:09:33 | 显示全部楼层
十万个为什么 发表于 2013-5-11 13:06
干嘛简写呢,太不严谨了。

兔唇   造成的概率事件?
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药徒
发表于 2013-5-11 13:16:03 | 显示全部楼层
个人认为无菌制剂讨论这个是有必要的,特别是注射剂。
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药徒
发表于 2013-5-11 13:16:42 | 显示全部楼层
yuansoul 发表于 2013-5-11 13:09
兔唇   造成的概率事件?

您说的话太深奥,我理解不了。
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药师
发表于 2013-5-11 13:23:50 | 显示全部楼层
苏州园林 发表于 2013-5-11 12:04
哦,卖狗的(my god)。原来连岗位与功能间还没搞清楚

哈哈,岗位命名方法,一般以功能来论,没有严格的定义。
(清洗、洁具、灭菌前)可以称之为清洗岗位
浓配间就是醲醅岗位了
洗瓶间、隧道烘箱是洗瓶岗位
物料传递,不能叫做岗位了
外包装岗位
待检成品,仓库岗位
一般叫做岗位也好工序也好,没有什么实际意义,因为很多制药的功能、工艺过程,不会简单以岗位划分,主要以功能房间区别生产状态并标识。
卖狗的,鼠肉充羊肉
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药师
发表于 2013-5-11 13:27:18 | 显示全部楼层
苏州园林 发表于 2013-5-11 12:11
“灭菌只是灭菌,而不会灭粒子”各村有各村的高招——操作篇问题讨论之五:续篇
https://www.ouryao.com/ ...

无菌车间倒是经常进去,D级不算无菌车间,也没人讨论D级尘粒影响,大家只是说D级只控制尘粒符合要求就行了。你难道说D级连尘粒也不控制?
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发表于 2013-5-11 13:40:21 | 显示全部楼层
无菌D级,是哪来的说法!!!!????
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药徒
发表于 2013-5-11 13:59:05 | 显示全部楼层
呵呵,不发表意见,都走火入魔了。
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发表于 2013-5-11 15:17:58 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2013-5-11 21:11:05 | 显示全部楼层
来学习的,楼主能否对无菌D级指定一二。
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药徒
发表于 2013-5-11 21:17:00 | 显示全部楼层
什么意思啊
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发表于 2013-5-11 21:55:01 | 显示全部楼层
这个帖子必须顶起来。。。。该讨论的时候怎么都缩了呢???
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药徒
发表于 2013-5-12 08:40:33 | 显示全部楼层
无菌车间的D级尘埃粒子动态不作控制,对功能的设置和最终产品的可溶性微粒,细菌内毒素等是否有影响,在张老师的帖子中,讨论的很清楚了,不再赘述了
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